Thursday, May 15, 2008
do repeated lessons have to get harder?
This is a little out of context, but here's my post to the yahoo group for the Michael entity teachings at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MichaelTeachings/ There's a discussion thread going on that is largely talking about how and why people learn lessons on the physical plane. I'm surprised that so many people make the painful assumption that if you don't learn something the first time, it'll be harder next time. It's like some people enjoy making the threat to grow or else, which I think would just feed back into the resistance to growing in the first place. I liked the view that came to me in response:
Hi all, this is Carl and i'm just jumping into the list occasionally and this caught my eye. By the way, what is Yarbo?
> Yarbo: DURING THE ASTRAL INTERVAL, THE STUDY IS RETROSPECTIVE AND UNCHANGEABLE. ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE
RIGHT UP UNTIL THE MOMENT OF THE LAST BREATH. <<<
> Karen: This is a great reminder. I've often wondered why so many of our issues couldn't be worked out on the astral.
I think this is only true for those for whom it is true. As Karen says later about whether life gets harder as lessons have to be revisited, it's true if you choose to do it that way. I believe that as lessons repeat they get bigger and more intense to get our attention, but that could just as easily involve bigger more loving more manifested teachers, as it could increased deprivation and suffering to force focus.
So likewise, why would it be true for so many people that the physical plane is where they have to make their growth and changes? Because that's the way they're doing things, that's what they're up to. Entities like Lazaris say they are among the many beings who never choose to grow physically. Devas and nature spirits grow astrally, only the lower simpler ones growing in the etheric just beyond the physical. It's like, here are categories of reality and their properties, which do you think will help you best with your growth? Humans say physical, at least until they start doing more of their growth in dreams and meditations, which are above the physical. Growth done in lucid dreams and guided meditations would clearly violate any demand that the physical be where all growth is done. As physically focused beings evolve, it becomes preferable to do a lot of growth in the higher levels, where one can create and release much more easily.
What do you all think?
(Followup note 5/24: to my knowledge no one ever answered this forum post, though some conversation continued in the topic, which i took to mean that no one had an answer. I was disappointed, but that's okay, because i think it's helpful to get used to the idea (develop coping mechanisms for the experience) that you may not always get physically incarnated validation for ideas. Esotericism comes with growth. So-called older souls may have very different reasons for being on the planet from younger, including very specific esoteric mission-oriented theories on what is possible. There are a lot of situations that i don't have an answer to. Presumably if no one physically incarnated has the answer, then non-physically incarnated beings could contact us with all the answers we need to grow. Which reminds me, does someone up there have a quick easy clean replacement for gasoline? Send it on down please. Can't hurt to ask :)
Hi all, this is Carl and i'm just jumping into the list occasionally and this caught my eye. By the way, what is Yarbo?
> Yarbo: DURING THE ASTRAL INTERVAL, THE STUDY IS RETROSPECTIVE AND UNCHANGEABLE. ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE
RIGHT UP UNTIL THE MOMENT OF THE LAST BREATH. <<<
> Karen: This is a great reminder. I've often wondered why so many of our issues couldn't be worked out on the astral.
I think this is only true for those for whom it is true. As Karen says later about whether life gets harder as lessons have to be revisited, it's true if you choose to do it that way. I believe that as lessons repeat they get bigger and more intense to get our attention, but that could just as easily involve bigger more loving more manifested teachers, as it could increased deprivation and suffering to force focus.
So likewise, why would it be true for so many people that the physical plane is where they have to make their growth and changes? Because that's the way they're doing things, that's what they're up to. Entities like Lazaris say they are among the many beings who never choose to grow physically. Devas and nature spirits grow astrally, only the lower simpler ones growing in the etheric just beyond the physical. It's like, here are categories of reality and their properties, which do you think will help you best with your growth? Humans say physical, at least until they start doing more of their growth in dreams and meditations, which are above the physical. Growth done in lucid dreams and guided meditations would clearly violate any demand that the physical be where all growth is done. As physically focused beings evolve, it becomes preferable to do a lot of growth in the higher levels, where one can create and release much more easily.
What do you all think?
(Followup note 5/24: to my knowledge no one ever answered this forum post, though some conversation continued in the topic, which i took to mean that no one had an answer. I was disappointed, but that's okay, because i think it's helpful to get used to the idea (develop coping mechanisms for the experience) that you may not always get physically incarnated validation for ideas. Esotericism comes with growth. So-called older souls may have very different reasons for being on the planet from younger, including very specific esoteric mission-oriented theories on what is possible. There are a lot of situations that i don't have an answer to. Presumably if no one physically incarnated has the answer, then non-physically incarnated beings could contact us with all the answers we need to grow. Which reminds me, does someone up there have a quick easy clean replacement for gasoline? Send it on down please. Can't hurt to ask :)
